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In conversations serious, humorous, ironic, ribald internationally acclaimed poet-scientist Douglas Livingstone and leading literary critic Michael Chapman struck up a warm, at times iconoclastic friendship. Over lunch they exchanged opinions, insights and anecdotes, not only on poetry, science and society, but also on personal aspects of modern life: love and loss, sexual and spiritual intimations, and city living; generally, on the value of our `uncommon humanity. Their conversations recollected in this book take readers through the black-and-white times of political turbulence in South Africa of the 1970s and 1980s to a climate, after apartheid, more attuned to Livingstones abiding concern: how, as both scientist and poet, to heal the Earth, our only home. Along the way, we meet a cast from Jan Smuts, Mohandas Gandhi and Albert Luthuli to Alan Paton, Mazisi Kunene, Breyten Breytenbach and the `Soweto poets. We shift abruptly from Nobel laureate Wole Soyinka to the TV soap, Dallas. With clarity and wit, Michael Chapman intersperses the conversations with a fresh consideration of a unique achievement: Douglas Livingstones journey into the `two cultures of art and science. Douglas Livingstone worked at the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research in Durban. His poems are collected in A Ruthless Fidelity: The Collected Poems of Douglas Livingstone.