TWO VINTAGE EXCELSIOR (STRAW) STUFFED, JOINTED BEARS - DUTCH KAEMINGK AALTEN OR GERMAN PAUL HAMBURG?

30CM AND 24CM TALL RESPECTIVELY AND IN GOOD CONDITION WITH JOINTED ARMS AND LEGS AND STUFFED WITH EXCELSIOR (WHAT WE USUALLY CALL STRAW).   SO HARD TO DETERMINE THE MAKE OF THESE VINTAGE BEARS BUT THEY LOOK LIKE THE KAEMINGK AALTEN BEARS FROM HOLLAND OR POSSIBLY PAUL HAMBURG, GERMANY VINTAGE BEARS - TWO LOVELY OLD BEARS TO ADD TO A COLLECTION!    REFER IMAGES